THE SHOW
In this expansive conversation, Lisa talks with executive coach and author Eric Nehrlich.
His career path reads like a masterclass in strategic pivoting: physics PhD dropout turned software engineer, product manager, Google finance analyst, and eventually Chief of Staff in Google’s C suite before launching his own executive coaching practice. But his journey reveals something more profound than professional flexibility. It’s a story about unlearning the toxic relationship between achievement and suffering, understanding when “working harder” becomes counterproductive, and discovering that your greatest strengths often lie at the intersection of multiple disciplines.
The conversation explores the psychology of overachievement, the myth that anxiety fuels success, and how high performers can regain control by setting boundaries, embracing intentional incompetence, and redefining what “enough” looks like. The conversation weaves personal stories with practical frameworks, offering listeners specific guidance on how to productively reflect and design lives that support both ambition and well-being.
This episode is a must-listen for ambitious professionals, creatives, and leaders who feel successful on paper but privately exhausted, misaligned, or constrained by expectations.
Behind his Brilliance: Taking other people’s perspectives
TOPICS COVERED
- Identity transitions and the sunk-cost fallacy of career paths
- The difference between aptitude and passion
- Why burnout often comes from misalignment, not workload alone
- Generalists vs specialists and why range matters more than ever
- Being a “translator” across disciplines (engineering, finance, leadership)
- Working inside Google during the 2008 financial crisis
- Minimum effective effort and deciding what to drop
- Intentional incompetence as a leadership and life skill
- Ambition, insecurity, and the myth that anxiety drives performance
- Designing life first, career second
- Self-employment, parenthood, and redefining “enough”
- Why stress does not equal impact
- Habit formation, motivation, and external accountability
- Self-concept, stereotype threat, and invisible performance taxes
- Upper limit problems and self-sabotage
- Parenting, leadership, and emotional regulation
- Belief, confidence, and why self-trust changes outcomes
THINGS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE
- Eric Nehrlich
- Eric’s book, You Have a Choice
- Tiffany Dufu on Behind the Brilliance
- Tiffany’s book, Drop the Ball
- Chris Dannen on Behind the Brilliance
- The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks
- Wheel of Life
- Whistling Vivaldi by Claude M. Steele (Eric’s book pick)
- Psychocybernetics by Maxwell Maltz
